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When you get right down to it, I have never seen a rational basis for the conservative opposition to the Affordable Care Act. After all, the core of the ACA was a proposal originating from the Heritage Foundation, a deeply conservative think tank.

And now the government shutdown. Which doesn't even defund the ACA itself, just pretty much everything else.

As for me personally, without the ACA I would be bankrupt or dead by now. Likely both.

So opposition to the ACA is quite literally saying to me, 'Go ahead and die already.'

Does it make sense to you? Have you seen anywhere a fact-based explanation of why the ACA should be so vigorously opposed?

Source: Lakeshore - [politics|cancer] The government shutdown and the ACA and me.

Both Jay and I would be interested in your answers. To be perfectly honest as a non-USian, I have no idea what is going on in the US at the moment - I just started to see something on Twitter and FaceBorg about the US government shutting down (How is that even possible?!) and have no idea what happened, why or what it means other than it seems to be disadvantaging a lot of people that should not be further disadvantaged. Feel free to enlighten me here (although please do not preach politics at me) and also to answer Jay's questions if you can (although they may be rhetorical but he never seems to refuse to discuss issues calmly and in an adult manner on his LJ/blog).

ETA: Anoter link from one of my LJFriends: The Fucking Bluebird of Goddamn Happiness - Pussyfooting politics are getting us nowhere


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Oct. 10th, 2013 07:01 pm (UTC)
because it means that the 1%(which i will be soon, and i have issues with that) will have to actually pay more in taxes, not the middle class(i am currently paying out the ass, and will gladly take on a heavier tax burden to pay for the aca when our inheritance money comes through as we have been uninsured while pregnant and high risk ad state and federal funds covered us and omg, a million plus later zane is healthy) and the argument is we do not want to become a socialist state when we, in reality, and not a democracy anymore.

but, this shutdown is scary. there is a 13-15 state salmonella outbreak and only 30 cdc/fda workers were recalled. 30. for a HUGE food borne illness outbreak. if there ever was a time for an attack on our water, food, or other supply systems, now would be the time as there are no real rapid response teams as the gop has seen to that. i have friends with no money. no rent. no access to doctors, to hospitals. this has happened before, but never for this long.

the way we have our government set up is that by not voting on a bill(and keir can explain this better) the leading party in the house can force a shutdown. it's ridiculous.

i hate it. things are crazy here. if it goes on much longer, we are fucked.
Oct. 10th, 2013 09:59 pm (UTC)
Ah sorry to bring up trigger issues and I do get that all of you are differently impacted but I still have no idea what the shutdown actually *is*.
Oct. 10th, 2013 10:33 pm (UTC)
basically, all government funded programs are shutdown. nothing that is funded by government funds is open. this means museums, zoos, hospitals(to an extent), welfare, etc, all are on bare bones staff, including things like the cdc, the fda, etc. so if you were to try to go to say the smithsonian, it would be closed. same with the national zoo. or get your food stamps or welfare or social security check. all government run organizations but those vital to day to day life are not going on. the government has shut down all but essential to life things, and their idea of that is very different to what our idea is. the fbi, cia, all of that is running, but try to get to the va and you are screwed.

all of this is over a temper tantrum the gop/tea party is throwing. at least congress is not being paid.

and it is not triggering- i will happily pay more taxes when i have more money. it is the way it SHOULD be.
Oct. 11th, 2013 12:19 am (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation. I assume that it is only national/central/federal government that is shut down and not local/state/county government?

Edited at 2013-10-11 02:01 pm (UTC)
Oct. 11th, 2013 05:36 pm (UTC)
so far state and down is not closed, but hey, it's 'merica, anything could happen.
Oct. 11th, 2013 02:08 am (UTC)
Thankfully, Social Security payments are still being made.
Oct. 11th, 2013 02:50 am (UTC)
ok, good. i've heard they are being made slowly, and i know several people who have yet to receive them. that scares me. we have been taking food to friends in tight spots because they are gov't employees, and man, i am a new hire in a needed govt dept, and i feel bad that i am being paid for training. but, since what i am doing is a "needed" service, and that particular area is showing a rise in activity, i get it, but the guilt is there. and i said yes and signed the contract a week before the shutdown. but, i can't go into an office for the field work training until after it ends, so i am doing research. fun times.

but i hate this. the bird strike program in the us has now gone volunteer and that is keeping the airports located near wetlands safe(and trust me, i know the program forwards and backwards) and if this continues, the grant is going to run out and the program, a join faa and something else(i think dept of interior) program will be furloughed. which is scary. because one goose or a flock of sparrows can down a plane, and the emergency response teams are at bare bones. i have very strong feelings on all of this. the cdc thing petrifies me. a pathogen could be introduced to food or water and we could have an epidemic on our hands because the cdc is running a skeleton crew. so fucked up.
Oct. 11th, 2013 09:39 am (UTC)
I have that sort of guilt, so I know this probably won't help, but please don't feel guilty. I'm sure your friends would say the same.

I'm scared for the people who depend on things like WIC. We're harming our most vulnerable people. And, as you said, all the dangerous things that could happen.

This shutdown is frightening and enraging. I'm more than disgusted by those who have caused it.
Oct. 10th, 2013 09:49 pm (UTC)
This is all my opinion and my small legal understanding of our government.

The government shutdown doesn't make sense. The right wing Republicans are overgrown babies, refusing to pass a budget unless Obama de-funds the Affordable Healthcare Act. The thing is, this is a law that has already been passed, has been appealed who knows how many times, and has always been upheld. To my knowledge, the Constitution does not allow for what they are trying to do -- the law has been passed, it's a done deal, and the way to de-fund/undo it is to pass other legislation. So they're holding the American public hostage, because the government services that help poor people and give them the meager safety net they have does not affect them, nor the Tea Party constituents (who probably do need and do use them, but they're better than "those" people [read: lazy Black welfare moms and illegals] which makes it ok). Meanwhile all kinds of things like the salmonella outbreak mentioned above, and who knows what other kinds of public safety emergencies can happen undetected. What federal services are working is haphazard and piecemeal.

I am utterly embarrassed and ashamed to be American. I cannot believe that this can happen. That enough people with influence or power can be this selfish and immoral. I've always thought us hypocritical running around the world and being all "we're so great" and taking over or trying to overthrow governments to make them "democratic" just like us. Our democracy is so broken. The Republicans have managed to gerrymander voting districts so that there will be no repercussions for those who are holding us hostage, because their office is guaranteed based on the base population that voted them in. And even the moderate Republicans are overwhelmingly pandering to the Tea Party, which is a fringe group of Republicans, which has not made sense for years.

I generally do not to wish ill things for people. I think there is a special place in hell for rapists and child abusers. I think that the Republicans holding up this budget and stalling the majority of legislation during Obama's presidency on "principle" belong there, too. And those delusional conservatives who oppose Obamacare because "the free market is a better option for healthcare" are well on their way, too. In essence, America is ruled by a devilishly selfish group of "haves" who are in denial that they are telling the "have nots" to "go ahead and die already".

I'm so disgusted that we're willing to harm all of America and the world economy like this. How little sense this makes to outsiders is about how much it makes sense to anyone beyond the 1%.
Oct. 10th, 2013 10:05 pm (UTC)
I am sorry if my questions and confusion have brought up issues for so many of you. Thank you for this explanation but, to be honest, I still have no idea how you can shut down a government. How it is even possible. What it means. I do understand why the GOP *think* they are doing it and also that is does not seem to do what they were hoping to do. Never mind, I will continue to be confused by USian politics and government. Hey, the UKian system is confusing enough!

Edited at 2013-10-11 02:01 pm (UTC)
Oct. 11th, 2013 02:16 am (UTC)
I have never seen a fact-based objection to the ACA. I have seen misinformation, racism, misogyny, and classism, much of it not even well-disguised.

There's a strong idea of "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" in this country without an acknowledgement that we don't all start in the same place with the same thing. As some of us are fond of saying "we don't all have bootstraps." This attitude often devolves into victim-blaming, where if you are sick or poor, for example, it's your fault. If you'd work harder things would be different. Recent presidential candidate Mitt Romney furthered this attitude with his "I built it" speeches, where he encouraged people to believe everything they've done and everything they had is entirely because of their own work, disregarding social and cultural issues.

A lot of this, I think, stems from fear. The "norm" in this country is and has been for a very long time the adult, heterosexual, able-bodied, white male. With the advent of an African-American president it seems a certain group is afraid of losing their power and privilege and they will do anything to stop that from happening.
Oct. 11th, 2013 02:00 pm (UTC)
Thank you for your thoughts.
Oct. 11th, 2013 05:39 pm (UTC)
very well put. as someone with new money(very new, as in months) all of this has me thinking about taxes, investing, and my english husband, and we waited too long to flee to the uk. new zealand is an option.....i hate being american right about now.
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